October 8th, 2018, 12:30 pm

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EmmaVieceli, October 8th, 2018, 12:04 pm     Reply

So there we go! Is Harvey being crazy or can we understand a need for closure and neatness for him? It's an insanely difficult situation to empathise with, and as for Connie - blimey - how is she coping with this? 0_O
*throws hands in the air* Hell, we wrote this thing and we still find the complicated brain-tangling emotions a lot to handle. Poor characters x
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portisHeart, October 8th, 2018, 1:49 pm     Reply

in all movies, manga etc i never understood this thing called "need for closure" in this kind of circumstances. beats me. maybe it's noble or sth, but stir up shit after years just to set one's conscience right while accepting it's gonna ruin one's life (and probably others' too) which had been spared up to now thanks to lies or silence, i'll never get the point. imho, living on and bearing the weight of the past and one's mistakes and shortcomings and lies is a higher, more appropriate price to pay..

it's like when you cheat on someone, and then "out of honesty" feel the need to confess. actually all you do is shifting the weight of your sin on the person you already cheated on, you fuck them twice over. keeping the dark painful secret is way harder but as it makes you pay daily for what you've done, it's imho more honest and punishing than going blabbermouth on them..
you can't rectify the past with confessions, what's done is done, words don't bring back the dead nor do they erase your sins & mistakes...

tho in fiction, i have to admit that this stuff provides for nice dramatic scenes ^^

korymisun, October 9th, 2018, 1:40 am     Reply

I love Ian's Gentle Hand of Support. I understand Harvey and the need to clear everything up. At least Cort won't be in trouble... I really hope he won't.

kwippo (Guest), October 10th, 2018, 1:38 am     Reply

@portisHeart: I agree with you so much.

portisHeart, October 10th, 2018, 6:19 am     Reply

@kwippo: ikr? there's no need for a burning pit full of demons after we die - we're already granted our own hell on earth, lovingly created by our own selves - and the rest of the human race ~
the pit is what is increasingly becoming of the planet, and the mental demons are our own thoughts while the physical devils are the guys leading the political freak show all over the place.

omfg, am i jolly today or wut? XDD

cherish.york, October 10th, 2018, 2:51 pm     Reply

I really really feel sorry for Harvey right now. Whatever circumstance will unfold, I have a feeling that it isn't going to be good....oh dear.

Le9, October 10th, 2018, 11:41 pm     Reply

@portisHeart It's a balance thing I believe. I like to think of cognitive dissonance: it urges one to restore the resolve one had in order to settle internal conflict, even if it means betraying prior beliefs. Some value honesty that much whereas I say it's more human to be very selective with truth. Which is why Harvey is bumming me out...but I used to be more like him before I got jaded.

Whimvy (Guest), October 11th, 2018, 11:40 pm     Reply

@portisHeart: Oh, the need for closure is very much real. It's not really about lifting the weight off your shoulders nor do you try to forget what happened; what you really do is come to terms with the event and begin to heal.

It's very much like closing an open wound; it won't heal until it's been properly treated. Much like your body, your mind can sustain injuries. And while time heals everything, you need to take proper care of something before it can mend.

Don't see it as a trope or a shift in blame/responsibility. See it as a transitioning point between a mistake, trauma or otherwise into a better state of being. Maturing.

portisHeart, October 12th, 2018, 7:39 am     Reply

@Whimvy: mmh.. i kinda see what you mean, might hit it for many people probably, i just can't integrate it (figure how it feels). anyways, i guess everyone copes/comes to terms with their life's event in their own way, be it what you've done to others or what others/life in general have done to you.. i have accepted that i'm way far from perfect, and that as a "me" person - or just as a human - i can be a real asshole, a step short of pathetic. also, that life is a bitch and a fight for every surviving organism, everything nice is a bonus, not a given. it's not so much that i forgive nor do i blame myself, but i just accept that i've done this or that bad thing, and that while i can't change the past, i can try to do better in the present/future... since i'm a self-centered jerk tho, i ironically find it harder to accept what life has served me, haha.
life, can't live with it, can't live without it ~

IronDog, October 22nd, 2018, 7:49 pm     Reply

I can absolutely understand his need for closure - this has been eating him up, keeping him stagnant for years. Perhaps once this is done he will be able to move on. Really, though, I feel as if the most closure probably originates from telling Cort. He might be disappointed by whatever outcome results of the legal system.

EmmaVieceli, October 23rd, 2018, 4:04 am     Reply

Wow - some great discussion on this scene. Closure is a funny thing to empathise with, I know, but it's always good to remember that we're all different and our needs are different. Harvey is someone who has responded to his own attack by taking such control over his life, down to how neatly his pencils are lined up...in his mind though, no lining up of pencils is going to make his path neater. He needs it uncluttered and behind him. Both what he did AND what was done to him.
thanks for all being so amazing and engaged and able to chat about this :)